1. Beyonder was an alien entity from Marvel comics who was a multiversal threat and a hero. OPM can't even defeat Post-retcon Beyonder, let alone Pre-retcon. Pre-retcon Beyonder is the be all-end all of ALL comicbook characters. The Beyonder was surprised by Mephisto. The All-Mighty (SCP) vs TOAA, Pre-Retcon Beyonder, and Oblivion (Marvel) All of them at their strongest. When The Pre-Retcon Molecule Man(with the Infinite portion of The Beyonder's Powers)fought The Beyonder, they were stated to be "2 of the mightiest being in ALL. Bloodlusted. the_doctor. Basically he is like the Amalgam Brothers, but so much powerful the Brothers would be microscopic in comparison. The Crimson King Edit: Different sizes of infinity. However PR Beyonder has more power than basically all of existence and attacks that destroyed multiverses were nothing to. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. "Pre-retcon" just means. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. So they pretty much stomps the likes of Galactus, Mephisto and etc who are universal at most. Due to sun wukong's absolute transcendence to buddhahood. O. So logically the Beyonder at full power can defeat Galactus at full power. New comments cannot be posted. COIE Monitors cited as. post retcon toaa: his power can only work on a multiverse that is stable. Iirc only TOAA was more powerful than the Beyonder. Like, guys, just focus on like a planetary thing or even a system wide thing. Bait? 1 year ago. Pre-Retcon Beyonders was described to be like a child compared to the Beyonders we are seeing now. Forum Posts. Beyonder even realized he was the Pre-Retcon one too lol Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him, tailor made for Loki and proven when he and Sylvie enchanted Alioth, who. He has way better feats, unless you can provide me a showing for Reinhard superior to being beyond comprehension of Pre-Retcon MM, as well as being above all of Marvel. Beyonder is canonically a "child unit" of the BeyonderS that were the antagonists of the 2015 series- and those things wiped out the entire marvel abstract tier including LT without breaking a sweat. Round 9: Lord English (Anyone who served him and who were amped by him count) Respect Thread for him and a bit for his Servants. So I might be missing something. The Beyonder was also stated to be "Beyond the Marvel Multiverse/Omniverse" which means that, he was beyond "Infinite-Dimensions" or "Trans-Infinity". He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. In no way, shape, or form you can scale to the whole thing. The Beyonder is bloodlusted. For now pre retcon beyonder has the advantage imo. Thanos wins them all unless its Thanos vs OAA. He would erase him from existence. Follow 474. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa Secret Wars II, 1985. 5 years ago. Wiki Points. Pre-Retcon Beyonder has more statements of powers than the new ones. Round 1: CAS vs. Jul 2, 2016. Trying to apply that to the Beyonder is meaningless, he may as well embody all of them considering his origin. He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. One Universe of a difference. Lucifer and Micheal are on the Tribunal's level at best. ago. Forums Battles Darkseid (True Form) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder 121 results 1 2 3 #1 Soratoumiga 4 years ago #2 ProfessorRespect Beyonder. This is the biggest mismatch. Which then would put the DC team a few steps below the over-void - DC's prime meta. PRE-RETCON BEYONDER? All of them are BLOODLUSTED! TOAA is the special referee! DB universe characters start at their maximum power and are already at their most powerful form! 14 years ago. There is literally nothing that OPM could do to even affect him. Both Beyonder (assuming this is him outside his personal realm) and the Presence, since both are like Low 1-B, this could go either way. Word Lords, the Celestis, Faction Paradox, etc. SCP-682 (SCP Foundation) vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Fight ends only in Death. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (as in, during Secret Wars II) was more powerful than the in-universe hand of the author. And he has just way more hax and reality manipulation against the mostly physical Goku to handle! 11. His presence alone destroyed infinite universes. WF Mxy vs Pre Retcon Beyonder is basically picking which company you like more : DC or Marvel. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. Reinhard or Mercurius could beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Real title: The beyonder vs the living tribunal. Not to say he's necessarily just a planetary threat now. PR Beyonder takes it 10/10. . 5 years ago. Aetherius is a larger infinity than Oblivio and encompasses its entirety, existing as a static realm of pure Anuic Light where all things exist in pure, timeless harmony. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Oblivion. The only other non-Omnipotent characters in Marvel who might even rival a bloodlusted pre-Retcon Beyonder for one are the Infinite Infinites and Divine Creator VIA narrative wanking. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. Ima go with byonder. Dr Manhattan has the power to control matter as well as subatomic perception and control. 3. Manhattan's league. Theoreticaly speaking yes Pre Retcon Beyonder is above TOAA simply because TOAA is the most powerful being in the marvel universe, and PRB is 1 million times more powerful than the collective. Pre recon beyonder is not omnipotent, but nigh-omnipotent as there is only 1 omnipotent character in omniverse and in marvel it is the One Above All not Beyonder. faster. Supposedly it is equal but opposite to the Presence. 5 years ago Galactic_1000Every single universe in the entirety of the Marvel multiverse combined is literally a drop in the ocean to Pre-Retcon Beyonder's power, The minotors exist in a dimension called "The Bleed", which is basically identical to Marvels "The Beyond". Conceptual Warping Tier C vs Particle Manipulating Tier B. Basically all Dragonball characters ever created in their most powerful form fight PR BEYONDER all at the same time. Pre Retcon Beyonder was the original TOAA before today's TOAA was established. PR Beyonder can see the future, he can manipulate reality itself, he was responsible for bringing all of the heroes and villains to. Hence why people differentiate the. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. You can also upload and share your favorite Beyonder wallpapers. That was an accident. Beyonder, spite as usual with beyonder. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. -Both at 1-A -I wonder which Beyonders are stronger now since the The Beyonders recently got upgraded into 1-A. I don't think that PR Beyonder would actually notice him. The rest of the rounds Marvel is pretty dominant, maybe they could do something in the final round. #38 JayBlack. Abraxas, the personification of the destruction of the multiverse, is likely somewhere around here, although since he only appeared in a few issues of Fantastic Four as far as I know, it's hard to tell. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is literally millions of times more powerful than the Marvel creation which contains infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses and so on into infinity. Shuma Gorath. So ultimately I don't see beyonder and molecule man taking out this Eldritch incarnation. But it wont be easy by no means. A Time Lords) from the. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the literal principle and the executioner at the same time yes their was scans of Beyonder TANKing universe busting and faster than light attacks he even was able to. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his hand. But beyonder that isn’t pr gets absorbed. 1. -5. The One Above All. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. Period. TOAA wins either way though. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. She surpasses him in raw power by far. Thanks!!!!!In fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. ago. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. He is a cosmic cube which is an Omni-dimensional object that can expand infinitely but that is only a limited part of him because he limits himself. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder casually eliminated Death from the universe and could have wiped out the universe in a snap. High-End Composite Time Lords and High-End Interpretation Downstreamers 3. • 1 year ago. It's similar to how using the Super Exciting guides for SSJ Multipliers should not take away from Goku's feats in 1990 when his SSJ form alone in the Namek Saga was far above a Galaxy busting Freiza. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. deactivated-5ffd6af867550. Post-Retcon Molecule Man. But it wont be easy by no means. Beyonder 39%. Spectre. But technically TR isn't a part of DC comics , the author has made it like DC comics ends at limbo and TR lives in the meta state , everything appearing. @kingant27: nah, I actually do not think Michael can beat pre retcon beyonder, and Michael is far more powerful than lucifer who is equal to LT and can only win by manipulation. Post retcon would be a closer fight. it would be mostly stalemate. Pre Retcon Beyonder is TOAA of a world much much larger than Marvel Multiverse. That was the whole point of "Secret Wars II. the beyonder is literally the embodiment of a universe which dwarfs the mainstream multiverse, so he can do the same thing for the multiverse, but not all of marvel (since marvel is an omniverse. Beyonder's best feat is defeating a multiverse level entity, the Living Tribunal, which was a big deal. Specificity of the Beyonder is that everything he thinks is real, and. Pre recton beyonder is one of the most over wanked marvel characters . @baron_von_santa: Doubt it, Pre-Retcon beyonder was supposed to be the ToAA of another reality but was later retconned into the "Cosmic Cube" crap. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the neverending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth’s. 0. HOM wanda. Dream of the Endless unable to stop Barbatos, who like Mxyzptlk, will steamroll Beyonder and Molecule Man without even trying. Pre Retcon Beyonder Stomps, the only powers that could hope to challenge him are The One Above, the Ultimate Source, The Presence, The Living Tribunal. He was basically like if God tried to create a champion capable of doing just about everything that. Why? Because beyonder powers are const and limited. So the information given is contradictory as a Cosmic Cube can't do what the Beyonder did but he canonically does those things. Pre-Retcon Beyonder Vs. The Beyonder at his full power pre-retcon is omnipotent. Join this channel to get access to perks:…The Beyonder was an impossibly powerful being who held the Secret Wars, essentially kidnapping a whole bunch of heroes and villains and making them fight for his. Yeah Mxy is tough as shit, and probably wont go down. R. It's stated so multiple times throughout the comics. For reference Pre-Retcon Beyonder is stronger than the Infinity Gauntlet by leaps and bounds but a Cosmic Cube is stated and shown to be vastly inferior to the Infinity Gauntlet. Pre retcon beyonder solos his own verse is larger than the maverl omniverse. @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. @whydama: well beyonder was stated to be millions of times more powerful than all the. He was the TOAA of own multiverse, separate to that of the Marvel multiverse before he came across the. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. If he can beat beyonder, he wins 10/10 because he would know the correct path in every timeline, which he exists in, because he is omnipresent. Mephisto said that The Beyonder could make idlest imaginings a reality with a wave of his hand, turning all of existence inside out), Vibration Manipulation (Created an earthquake throughout the city), Attack Reflection (Deflected Magneto's power beam towards the X-Men), Magnetism Manipulation (Repelled Magneto by duplicating his own magnetic. VS. 7. COIE Anti Monitor. 14 years ago. Pre Retcon Beyonder shitstomps the edgelord version of Batman into the ground, along with the rest of the DCverse. Beyonder explicitly said "everything you can dream about, I can do", and it is confirmed by few characters present there. About Pre-retcon/Classic Beyonder. thtadthtshldntb Anti nBSG Troll. DONATE TO SUPPORT THE CHANNEL! Put a message with your donation so I know your request if your donation is for a request tier. Just like the sky seems infinite to us puny humans, the pre retcon beyonder s power seems unlimited to puny marvel multiverse. Regulator Thanos wins, both these characters are above LT in power scope, however the HOTU. Ho…Note: While the Beyonder's existence is often divided between "pre-retcon" and "post-retcon" in relation to the original Secret Wars, this is not entirely accurate. pre retcon beyonder: can destroy an infinite-d multiverse and exists independently of it. . If PR Beyonder is superior to TOAA then God Emperor. Beyonder Pré-Retcon foi uma das Entidades mais poderosas da #Marvel, ficando até mesmo acima do Tribunal Vivo, ele é bem conhecido por ter criado a Saga Guer. (616)Spider-Man with the powers of the beyonder vs these verses. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was Omnipotent! The comics said so. Thor Vs Justice League : Vs AVENGERS : 12 Cosmic Beings in Marvel :. Pre Retcon Beyonder shitstomps the edgelord version of Batman into the ground, along with the rest of the DCverse. Pre retcon beyonder was more of a plot device than a character lol. 8. Pre Retcon Beyonder = TOAA > Eternity 1st Retconned Beyonder < Cosmic Cube (Because part of the power was in Owen Reece) Recent Retcon Beyonder < the marvel abstracts but not by much. 1. Beyonder pre-retcon Beyonder > current beyonders races. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. The Beyonder is a cosmic being of immense power, often labelled as omnipotent during the issues of Secret Wars, and much stronger than all the other cosmic entities. Assuming the several dimensions to be universes isn't something streched considering the PRB power. Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Venom (The End) Archived post. Pre-Ret MM having abstracts such as LT and Eternity beg him to fight Beyonder implies he's one incredibly powerful dude. It is capable of becoming a Multiversal threat, but it's vastly weaker than any of the Apollyon-Class SCPs. 0. She/Her. The Beyonder didn’t know. Also the Doomslayer has way more fighting and combat feats. This is way larger than the entire Marvel verse and DC verse. Pre retcon MM scared the cosmics of the 80s even as groups, they had to just let him pass by out of fear, even beg him to fight Beyonder due to how scared shitless they were of both. The Beyonder was originally an organizer of a massive. (Like many of these fights) Universal Steve. Beyonder's best feats consist of warping reality on a Multiversal scale in his fight with MM, and being millions of times stronger than anyone in the marvel multiverse, but that's only impressive up to a certain point before it becomes. Pre-Retcon Beyonder just erases the Throne of Heroes, killing every single servant because servants are copies of heroes, made using information from the Throne of Heroes Or he could just wipe out the entire Fate universe and everything outside itPre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. PRE RETCON BEYONDER goes to the DRAGON BALL universe and fights all Dragonball characters at the same time - this includes Zeno Sama, The Angels, Whis, All Gods of Destruction, Broly, Goku, Vegeta, etc. In Secret Wars 2, the Beyonder was above the real Living Tribunal (In the retcon, it was. He is the embodiment of the Beyonder Realm, a place much bigger than the Marvel Multiverse, outside of reality. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is the embodiment of the Beyond-Realm and is the chief of the extra-dimensional race the Beyonders who created the cosmic cubes and Kosmos, but. 0. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. Fight takes place in an infinite dimension. He was the single most dangerous threat the Marvel multiverse had ever faced, until he was retconned into a more limited character with varied origins. Beyonder uses his prep to observe Doom preparing,. His anti-feats are plot-induced because it's attempting to tell the story of him trying to figure out the Marvel multiverse because it's so tiny and simplistic in scope to the Beyonder realm. Scarlet King (SCP) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder and Pre-Retcon Molecule Man (Marvel) R2:The scarlet demon, WOW I am speechless. The only other non-Omnipotent characters in Marvel who might even rival a bloodlusted pre-Retcon Beyonder for one are the Infinite Infinites and Divine Creator VIA narrative wanking. lmao Also classic Marvel supporters. Pre-Retcon Beyonder should not even consider Demonbane. Reply. Beyonder was everything inside the Multi-verse. Shinra destroys their narrative 68%. " lord marvel is said to be omnipotent and he can get smacked up. The events of Secret Wars I and II were not removed from canon, what changed was the Beyonder's relationship with the other cosmic entities. He needed to use his entire power to kill mistress death which left. He's about cause and effect and. Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. but the other writers ruined and screwed up these characters. After that he was retconned to a far less powerful cosmic cube. A. Mephisto said that The Beyonder could make idlest imaginings a reality with a wave of his hand, turning all of existence inside out), Vibration Manipulation (Created an earthquake throughout the city), Attack Reflection (Deflected Magneto's power beam towards the X-Men), Magnetism Manipulation (Repelled Magneto by duplicating his own magnetic. Galactus is fodder here. Jack Kirby never wanted the Tribunal to ever be even threatened and the ultimate authority for a long time as long as he was in the company, so LT being beaten was seen as an insult by some comic fans. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. The original Beyonder was a failed Cosmic Cube, the second one was a failed Cosmic Power, and the third one was a failed Cosmic Force. And boy, DC is supremely addicted to crises. [deleted] • 8 yr. )Pre-Retcon Beyonder is too much for John Constantine to handle. Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Learn the difference between the original, toned-down, and evolved versions of the Beyonder, a cosmic entity that can create and. MJJ's powers keep increasing exponentialy. 0. #. Second, Beyonder would stop Mxy from going out of the comic, trapping him in the Beyond-Realm (himself). Rememeber he is a CONCEPT who wields power enough for him to create and destroy 60 billion. CCC Gilgamesh vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Oblivion. He wins. Forum Posts. Then there the Beyonder Child unit thing that is related to The beyonders. Anyone trying to still argue Pre Retcon Beyonder is some Marvel top tier needs to have their info refreshed. HeartLesS 25 d . @whydama: well beyonder was stated to be millions of times more powerful than all the. The Beyonder is a recurring antagonist of Avengers Assemble. Neutral. As you can see in the marvel hierarchy the one above all is at the very top. PR Beyonder is millions of times stronger than the Marvel multiverse. Now I made a lengthy blog detailing the powers of the Beyonder, Post-Retcon. @kingant27: nah, I actually do not think Michael can beat pre retcon beyonder, and Michael is far more powerful than lucifer who is equal to LT and can only win by manipulation. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. Round 2 is just silly, because neither of those characters would be ANY help to Superman, much less to Beyonder. But beyonder that isn’t pr gets absorbed. Lucifer is above an Infinitely Layered Creation. While thinking the Beyonder accidentally destroys the Omniverse. When The Pre-Retcon Molecule Man(with the Infinite portion of The Beyonder's Powers)fought The Beyonder, they were stated to be "2 of the mightiest being in ALL Existence(or, All-Fiction)". Thought Robot without any effort. If the individual, then pre-retcon Beyonder wins hands down. Pre Retcon Beyonder wins with ease! He is literally beyond everyone and everything (ofc not TOAA) and a multiversal threat. #36. But Pre-Retcon Beyonder was around during 1985 during secret wars; making this databook not applicable to the Beyonder on the post. R1: Everyone of the verses is at their peak. At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. Pretty sure it wasnt stated to end so. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. 2. CsmicRanker1314 1. A. It will take a signifigant effort to kill the Phoenix Force, Just like Death, but he will do it. "Pre retcon beyonder is omnipotent, so can easily take care of the Spectre," omipotent does not make a auto win. The Beyonder was once a God with limitless powers in the Marvel Omniverse. He was the single most dangerous threat the Marvel multiverse had ever faced, until he. He represented everything outside the Marvel Universe, while TOAA represents MU. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. Isn't that pre retcon beyonder? post retcon last i can remember was way weaker than pre retcon beyonder and Fu walks around from High hyperversal to Outerversal. Follow 1963. The Beyonder has always been a child-like being, which makes him very dangerous. Doom, when has anything even close to that happened to the Tribunal? My point is Marvel states he is the one thing/person/entity that. Pretty sure it wasnt stated to end so. Well pre-retcon beyonder was able to erase marvels death. Seriously at his peak height, Pre Retcon Beyonder was something that no current DC character could handle. Gan & Crimson King VS Pre Retcon Beyonder. R1 - Cosmic Cube post retcon Beyonder faces the 5, he can call for his Molecule man version if hes stomped. Archived post. But it doesn't end there. Originally Beyonder was a mysterious cosmic entity from outside the multiverse who was more powerful than Galactus, The Celestials, and the entire Cosmic Compass. Pre Retcon Beyonder said that the combined powers of all the beings in the multiverse (including entities) where just like a drop in the sea and is considered to be a million times powerful than. Beyonder made everything happen,every occurrence, positive or negative, was of Beyonder's own making Beyonder can rewriter everything,Even rewriter "Pre-recton Beyonder" into "SW3" HOTU never have. He was the TOAA of his own multiverse, separate to that of the Marvel multiverse, before he came across the. -Everything in bleach. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. "No other force or power in existence could. This topic is locked from further discussion. #38 JayBlack. " Yep this is a pretty easy win for Frank 14 years ago. #1 quandaledingle. unlimited power to manipulate matter and energy; invulnerable. The scarlet demon is omnipresent throughout the narrative stacks and normal SK is just a mere avatar of the scarlet demon. Numidium 2. Round 3: CAS and Myx vs PR Beyonder and Living Tribunal. 17 Ginriu. Also, I should mention that they are probably re-retconning him to his previous levels soon. At the time of the Secret Wars he was stated as being equal to the One Above All. It’s Lucifer vs PR Beyonder basically. Lucifer obviously wins, the guy literally has half of God's omnipotence. There's no feats indicating that the Pre-Retcon Beyonder would be able to get through the Doomslayer's armor. #1 Edited By NinjaWarrior268. 43. I am unsure post-retcon Beyonder would even beat that version of her, which was a far. Nope. Composite-DC/Vertigo's Infinite Hierarchy is far. The value of your argument reached the negatives the moment you put fodder Beyonder above anyone here. Location: Above Earth. The Beyonder realm might be a million times bigger than the entire Marvel Multiverse combined but in the end it's still part of the larger multiverse. Not only this, due to scaling, Hajun has taken. He. The mightiest beings (Living Tribunal) are microbes to him. bigbran. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. However, he can scale to characters with immeasurable speed via statements. Been done here on the vine. #1 Thanatic. A Beyonder easily ripping off Thor's arm. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is honestly far less impressive than Molecule man, at least current molecule man. Thanos wins this. (God) 2. 9 years ago. Doctor strange opens one in front and back. They live here, and decided to fuck shit up. At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. From Lucifer #37. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. Even though most of Beyonder's feats in SW are still canon, Doom's statement could have *only* been in reference to POST-retcon (ie. Join this channel to get access to perks:Credits to THZCheck out YFV (@YFVillainYT). LT has no jurisdiction over Phoenix which is why he. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. Pre retcon beyonder was more of a plot device than a character lol. The Forger is much stronger than Barbatos. Even The. BEYONDERSIn fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. No prep. panos2000000 • 1 yr. At the time this storyline was written Beyonder Spider-Man would stomp. As a scientist, Doctor Manhattan is all about doing things step by step. He hailed from, and was one with the Beyond-Realm, a featureless dimension outside the entirety of the Multiverse, and upon descending into the physical reality he was shown to be immensely superior in. Beyonder with no sweat. He can't exist beyound the source wall which limits him to not a 11-D being but probably a 10-D. Pre-retcon beyonder can't do anything to sun wukong. The Beyonder was once a God with limitless powers in the Marvel Omniverse. If this is pre retcon then beyonder. Doom, when has anything even close to that happened to the Tribunal? My point is Marvel states he is the one thing/person/entity that.